"Subversive thinking is when you want not a little change in things but to destroy this current system, to challenge the status quo"
"Subversion is quite important for artists as well as successful entrepreneurs. (...) Through art practices you can develop this subversive thinking."
"You cannot create big things without starting by something small like a joke because it's a way to do something different and to create debates. And you cannot create something different if you are within your comfort zone."
"By doing art, it's a very nice way to experience a lot of difficulties and a lot of uncomfortable aspects, to lose yourself, to find yourself."